Jeg har udbredt forsøgt at spille efter point-system (Edward Hutchison) i Texas Hold Em, men synes kun jeg har fået tørret røv indtil nu.
Hvor mange har succes med at få overskud på det point-system i praksis?
Nogle af de overvejelser jeg har gjort mig er følgende.
- der kan snildt spille måske 20-30 hænder inden en lejlighed byder sig, hvor point systemet er opfyldt. Allerede her er de første blinds og small blinds tabt.
- Når lejligheden byder sig kunne det eksempelvis være As,Kd. Ved flop er der hyppigt hverken pairs, udsigt til straight eller flush. Mere tabt.
Alt i alt synes jeg ikke rigtig denne metode virker i praksis (kan der være noget jeg gør forkert?).
Og så lige et par games til evaluering (jeg spiller som Tomcat2000):
Game #1250361337 starts.
#Game No : 1250361337
***** Hand History for Game 1250361337 *****
$25 PL Hold'em - Thursday, December 02, 15:53:16 EDT 2004
Table Lightning Strikes (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 10: ominot ( $21.9 )
Seat 8: Alexsandr5 ( $26.7 )
Seat 9: tomcat2000 ( $26.2 )
Seat 6: daigoroogami ( $26.3 )
Seat 5: JeffBoski ( $25 )
Seat 3: joelicata ( $38.05 )
Seat 2: corbin801 ( $28.2 )
Seat 7: hkp74 ( $64.95 )
Seat 4: tboneboss ( $24.5 )
Seat 1: PizzaBelly ( $25 )
corbin801 posts small blind [$0.25].
joelicata posts big blind [$0.5].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to tomcat2000 [ Kh Qh ]
tboneboss calls [$0.5].
JeffBoski folds.
daigoroogami folds.
hkp74 calls [$0.5].
Alexsandr5 calls [$0.5].
tomcat2000 calls [$0.5].
ominot calls [$0.5].
corbin801 calls [$0.25].
joelicata checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qd, Ac, 9c ]
corbin801 checks.
joelicata checks.
tboneboss bets [$0.5].
hkp74 calls [$0.5].
Alexsandr5 calls [$0.5].
tomcat2000 calls [$0.5].
ominot calls [$0.5].
corbin801 folds.
joelicata calls [$0.5].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Js ]
joelicata checks.
tboneboss bets [$0.5].
hkp74 folds.
Alexsandr5 raises [$7.7].
tomcat2000 calls [$7.7].
ominot folds.
joelicata calls [$7.7].
tboneboss calls [$7.2].
** Dealing River ** [ Kd ]
joelicata checks.
tboneboss checks.
Alexsandr5 checks.
tomcat2000 checks.
joelicata shows [ 8c, 6c ] high card ace.
tboneboss shows [ As, Tc ] a straight, ten to ace.
Alexsandr5 doesn't show [ Qc, Jd ] two pairs, queens and jacks.
tomcat2000 doesn't show [ Kh, Qh ] two pairs, kings and queens.
tboneboss wins $35.45 from the main pot with a straight, ten to ace.
Game #1250365978 starts.
Jeg har altså en straight ten to ace (godt nok med Kh på hånden) og tboneboss har også en straight ten to ace (men med As på hånden).
- I sådan et tilfælde vejer down altså mere end community kortet? (hans As).
- Burde/kunne jeg på nogen måde have indset dette?
Endnu et game (burde jeg have stoppet?):
#Game No : 1250439095
***** Hand History for Game 1250439095 *****
$25 PL Hold'em - Thursday, December 02, 16:18:07 EDT 2004
Table Lightning Strikes (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 10: ominot ( $16.6 )
Seat 8: Alexsandr5 ( $37.8 )
Seat 9: tomcat2000 ( $14.5 )
Seat 5: JeffBoski ( $20 )
Seat 3: joelicata ( $28.35 )
Seat 2: corbin801 ( $21.95 )
Seat 7: hkp74 ( $100.67 )
Seat 4: tboneboss ( $40.28 )
Seat 1: PizzaBelly ( $40.65 )
Seat 6: bret219 ( $22.25 )
tboneboss posts small blind [$0.25].
JeffBoski posts big blind [$0.5].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to tomcat2000 [ Ks As ]
hkp74: nh
bret219 folds.
tboneboss: ty
hkp74 folds.
Alexsandr5 calls [$0.5].
tomcat2000 calls [$0.5].
ominot calls [$0.5].
PizzaBelly folds.
corbin801 folds.
tboneboss calls [$0.25].
JeffBoski checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5d, 2h, Kd ]
tboneboss checks.
JeffBoski checks.
Alexsandr5 checks.
tomcat2000 bets [$0.5].
ominot calls [$0.5].
tboneboss folds.
JeffBoski folds.
Alexsandr5 calls [$0.5].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Td ]
Alexsandr5 checks.
tomcat2000 bets [$0.5].
ominot calls [$0.5].
Alexsandr5 folds.
** Dealing River ** [ 4c ]
tomcat2000 bets [$2].
ominot raises [$4].
tomcat2000 calls [$2].
ominot shows [ 2s, 4s ] two pairs, fours and twos.
tomcat2000 doesn't show [ Ks, As ] a pair of kings.
ominot wins $12.35 from the main pot with two pairs, fours and twos.
Game #1250444706 starts.
Det skal siges, at ominot stort set hele tiden kørte til river på selv de laveste pairs. Er det fuldstændig 'bad luck' eller burde jeg have stoppet noget sted?
Pyha - det var vist en længere smørre! Anyway, på forhånd tak! - og may the river be with you ;-)
/TCat
Hvor mange har succes med at få overskud på det point-system i praksis?
Nogle af de overvejelser jeg har gjort mig er følgende.
- der kan snildt spille måske 20-30 hænder inden en lejlighed byder sig, hvor point systemet er opfyldt. Allerede her er de første blinds og small blinds tabt.
- Når lejligheden byder sig kunne det eksempelvis være As,Kd. Ved flop er der hyppigt hverken pairs, udsigt til straight eller flush. Mere tabt.
Alt i alt synes jeg ikke rigtig denne metode virker i praksis (kan der være noget jeg gør forkert?).
Og så lige et par games til evaluering (jeg spiller som Tomcat2000):
Game #1250361337 starts.
#Game No : 1250361337
***** Hand History for Game 1250361337 *****
$25 PL Hold'em - Thursday, December 02, 15:53:16 EDT 2004
Table Lightning Strikes (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 10: ominot ( $21.9 )
Seat 8: Alexsandr5 ( $26.7 )
Seat 9: tomcat2000 ( $26.2 )
Seat 6: daigoroogami ( $26.3 )
Seat 5: JeffBoski ( $25 )
Seat 3: joelicata ( $38.05 )
Seat 2: corbin801 ( $28.2 )
Seat 7: hkp74 ( $64.95 )
Seat 4: tboneboss ( $24.5 )
Seat 1: PizzaBelly ( $25 )
corbin801 posts small blind [$0.25].
joelicata posts big blind [$0.5].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to tomcat2000 [ Kh Qh ]
tboneboss calls [$0.5].
JeffBoski folds.
daigoroogami folds.
hkp74 calls [$0.5].
Alexsandr5 calls [$0.5].
tomcat2000 calls [$0.5].
ominot calls [$0.5].
corbin801 calls [$0.25].
joelicata checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qd, Ac, 9c ]
corbin801 checks.
joelicata checks.
tboneboss bets [$0.5].
hkp74 calls [$0.5].
Alexsandr5 calls [$0.5].
tomcat2000 calls [$0.5].
ominot calls [$0.5].
corbin801 folds.
joelicata calls [$0.5].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Js ]
joelicata checks.
tboneboss bets [$0.5].
hkp74 folds.
Alexsandr5 raises [$7.7].
tomcat2000 calls [$7.7].
ominot folds.
joelicata calls [$7.7].
tboneboss calls [$7.2].
** Dealing River ** [ Kd ]
joelicata checks.
tboneboss checks.
Alexsandr5 checks.
tomcat2000 checks.
joelicata shows [ 8c, 6c ] high card ace.
tboneboss shows [ As, Tc ] a straight, ten to ace.
Alexsandr5 doesn't show [ Qc, Jd ] two pairs, queens and jacks.
tomcat2000 doesn't show [ Kh, Qh ] two pairs, kings and queens.
tboneboss wins $35.45 from the main pot with a straight, ten to ace.
Game #1250365978 starts.
Jeg har altså en straight ten to ace (godt nok med Kh på hånden) og tboneboss har også en straight ten to ace (men med As på hånden).
- I sådan et tilfælde vejer down altså mere end community kortet? (hans As).
- Burde/kunne jeg på nogen måde have indset dette?
Endnu et game (burde jeg have stoppet?):
#Game No : 1250439095
***** Hand History for Game 1250439095 *****
$25 PL Hold'em - Thursday, December 02, 16:18:07 EDT 2004
Table Lightning Strikes (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 10: ominot ( $16.6 )
Seat 8: Alexsandr5 ( $37.8 )
Seat 9: tomcat2000 ( $14.5 )
Seat 5: JeffBoski ( $20 )
Seat 3: joelicata ( $28.35 )
Seat 2: corbin801 ( $21.95 )
Seat 7: hkp74 ( $100.67 )
Seat 4: tboneboss ( $40.28 )
Seat 1: PizzaBelly ( $40.65 )
Seat 6: bret219 ( $22.25 )
tboneboss posts small blind [$0.25].
JeffBoski posts big blind [$0.5].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to tomcat2000 [ Ks As ]
hkp74: nh
bret219 folds.
tboneboss: ty
hkp74 folds.
Alexsandr5 calls [$0.5].
tomcat2000 calls [$0.5].
ominot calls [$0.5].
PizzaBelly folds.
corbin801 folds.
tboneboss calls [$0.25].
JeffBoski checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5d, 2h, Kd ]
tboneboss checks.
JeffBoski checks.
Alexsandr5 checks.
tomcat2000 bets [$0.5].
ominot calls [$0.5].
tboneboss folds.
JeffBoski folds.
Alexsandr5 calls [$0.5].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Td ]
Alexsandr5 checks.
tomcat2000 bets [$0.5].
ominot calls [$0.5].
Alexsandr5 folds.
** Dealing River ** [ 4c ]
tomcat2000 bets [$2].
ominot raises [$4].
tomcat2000 calls [$2].
ominot shows [ 2s, 4s ] two pairs, fours and twos.
tomcat2000 doesn't show [ Ks, As ] a pair of kings.
ominot wins $12.35 from the main pot with two pairs, fours and twos.
Game #1250444706 starts.
Det skal siges, at ominot stort set hele tiden kørte til river på selv de laveste pairs. Er det fuldstændig 'bad luck' eller burde jeg have stoppet noget sted?
Pyha - det var vist en længere smørre! Anyway, på forhånd tak! - og may the river be with you ;-)
/TCat